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Ano ang silbi ng POEA?

Nakapagtataka lang… ano ang silbi nang POEA?

Taga monitor lang ba silang nang mga taong lalabas nang bansa?

Taga pangalaga nang mga OFW kung ganun naman bakit sila nang gigipit?

May bago na bang patakaran ang POEA na limitahan lang ang mga Direct hire sa mga companya?

Halimbawa sa isang company ay 10 ang mga pilipino na (direct hire) or yung mga taong di na nag daan sa agency. Yung pang 11 ay di na papayagang mag trabaho sa companyang yun kasi limitado lang sa 10?

Kahit na meron ka nang kaukulang documento, ticket at visa, unless na dumaan ka sa agency para makag trabaho ka sa companya na yun kahit na may employment visa at ticket, ano ang gagawin nang agency kung sakali? Di tumangap lang sila nang pera nang walang ginawa? Makatarungan ba eto?  Ano pa ang silbi rin nang mga kamag anak mo na nasa ibang bansa kung dadaan rin pala sa agency halos lahat?

Kaya nga direct hire para maiwasan na ang malaking bayaran sa mga agency at dahil na rin sa mga kamag anak na mag papasok sa yo at ang kompanya na ang gagastos at mag aasikaso nang papeles mo kung saan ka man pupunta. Bakit kailangan maging ganun ang patakaran nang gobyerno natin? Meron bang maiibibigay na trabaho ang gobyerno sa lahat nang mga naghahanap nang trabaho?  Bakit hindi nila luwagan ang systema?  Seguridad ba ang inaalala nila?

Aminin natin sa mga sarili natin na kahit anong gawin natin ay pag oras mo na ay oras mo kahit na tulog ka ay naaaksidente tayo.  Alam naman lahat nang OFW ang panganib nang pangingibang bansa pero sinusuung parin nila yan para sa mga pamilya nila.  Pano na yung mga di kayang mag bayad nang placement fee?,  di wala na silang magagawa at tangapin na ganun na lang kahit na mayroon gustong tumulong pero wala ka ring magawa dahil sa polisiya na to? Ano na ang mangyayari sa mga Pilipino na gustong mag abroad?  Pano narin ang mga kompanya na gustong mag hire nang Pilipino?  Mapipilitan silang dumaan sa agency?  Kung ako ang may ari nang kompanya ay mag hahanap na lang ako nang ibang lahi kesa sa Pilipino na napakaraming hassle.  I kumpara natin ang mga Indiano, basta may visa na sila, wala nang tanong pinapaalis na dahil trabaho yun kesa naman mag stay sila sa india na walang ginagawa.

Umiinit lang ang ulo ko kasi ganito ang sitwasyon nang pinsan ko.  Kumpleto na lahat, OIC na lang nang POEA ang kailangan ay hinarang pa sya at gustong idaan pa sa agency… anong klaseng systema to?

 

 

 

 

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146 Comments |
  • KISS

    Bakit may limit? Bakit hindi na lang payagan ang mga Pinoy na lumabas and magtrabaho sa bansang gusto nila? Simple lang ang sagot. Dahil ang gobyerno gumagastos ng bilyong halaga ng piso sa pagsalba ng buhay ng mga Pinoy na nagtatrabaho sa ibang bansa lalo na kung may giyera o sakuna o trahedya. Isama mo na yung mga manggagawa na matigas ang ulo at sumusuway sa patakaran ng bansang kanilang pinagtatrabahuhan. Sa palagay ninyo, saan dapat kumuha ng pantustos ang gobyerno? Nabubuwisit tayo sa sistemang nagpapahirap sa atin kung ang tanging gusto natin ay umasenso para sa pamilya. Naisip ba natin ang dilemma kung sakaling magkaproblema kayo sa bansang pinagtatrabahuhan ninyo? Domino effect yan, kabayan. Empower yourselves with knowledge. Bago kayo mangibang bansa, alamin ninyo kung ano ang mga karapatan ninyo bilang OFW. Yan ang tanging paraan para malinawan bakit may ganitong sistema. Alamin ninyo ang mga benepisyo na makukuha ninyo kung dadaan kayo sa agency o hindi. Pag ang manggagawang Pinoy ay namaltrato, at least mayroon kayong agency na hahabulin. And I am sure, iikot ang pwet ng mga agency para lang asikasuhin kayo. Tandaan ninyo, ang reklamo ninyo against an agency may most likely cause cancellation of their license and eventually cause closure of business. Ganyan kayo ka-powerful!

  • Jeff

    Hi, regarding the topic of the 10-man limit.
    Is this count cumulative?

    The company that wishes to employ me has already reached the 10 man limit of Filipino employees.
    But currently they only have 4 Pinoy guys left, the other previously hired Pinoys already went back home (since they have already finished the contract/project).

    So do they still need to go through the agency, since in effect they don’t actually have 10 Pinoys there?

    (I’m also about to email poea – will update here if they respond.)

  • Biutin

    ISA RIN PO AKONG OFW, AT GUSTO KO LANG PO SANANG MAG COMMENT SA ANONG SILBI NG POEA. SA TAGAL KONG NAG AABROAD AT CONCERN DIN AKO SA MGA KAPWA KO OFW, MERON MGA BAGAY NA HINDI AKO MAINTINDIHAN SA PROCEDURE NG POEA, KAGAYA NG NG BINANGIT DITO, BAKIT KAILANGAN LIMITAHAN NG HANGGANG 10 LAMANG ANG KAILANGAN KUNIN NG ISANG KUMPANYA GANUNG PWEDE NAMAN AT CAN AFFORD SILA? ANO ANG PWEDE NILANG IPALIWANAG SA MGA KAGAYA NATING OFW NA MAYROON KATANUNGAN, BAKIT SA TUWING ITATANONG MO ANG BAGAY NA IYAN KAHIT KANINONG MGA NAGTRATRABAHO SA POEA AY WALA SILANG SOLID NA MAISAGOT SA BAGAY NA ITO. OO NAGKAKATULONG SILA PAG NAGKAROON NG PROBLEM SA IBANG BANSA, ANG TANONG TUTOO BANG TUMUTULONG SILA OR TUTOO RIN BANG NAGPAPA POGI POINTS LAMANG SILA. KAYO AS OFW NARANASAN NA BA NINYONG MAGTANONG SA KANILA AT MAGTUTURUAN LAMANG SILA HANGGANG BANDANG HULI AY WALA PA RIN SILANG MAISAGOT SA IYO KUNG ANO ANG TUNAY NA DAHILAN SA MGA BAGAY NA ITINANONG MO? ANG HIRAP NA NGA NG KATAYUAN NATIN SA PAG AABROAD, PAHIHIRAPAN PA BA TAYO NG MGA TAO SA POEA, ALAM BA NILA TALAGA ANG TUNAY NA PROBLEMA NATIN PARA MA ASSIST NILA TAYO NG HUSTO? NAKIKINIG BA SILANG TALAGA? CONCERN BA SILANG TALAGA? KAYA MARAMING AGENCY NA NAGTATAKE ADVANTAGE SA ATING MGA OFW AY DAHILAN NA RIN SA POEA, MAGHIHIGPIT SILA PERO SILA RIN ANG SUMISIRA NG PATAKARAN, ANONG SILBI NG OWWA, ANONG SILBI NG PDOS, SA LOOB NG ISANG ARAW TUTURUAN KA NILA, GANUN LANG BA KADALI ANG DAPAT MONG MATUTUNAN KUNG TALAGA GUSTO NILANG TURUAN ANG MGA OFW. BAKIT PAG HOUSEMAID KA BAWAL KANG DIRECT HIRING OR NAME HIRE? ANO ANG PWEDENG PALIWANAG SA BAGAY NA IYAN? BAKIT KAILANGAN MAGKAROON NG INSURANCE NA $144 US DOLLARS? BAKIT KAILANGAN MAGTAAS NA NAMAN ANG BAYAD NG FILHEALTH? BAKIT PAG SA AGENCY NAG PROCESS ANG BAYAD NG POEA AY MAS MABABA, BAKIT PAG DIRECT HIRING BAKIT MAS MATAAS ANG SINGIL, AKALA KO BA NAAWA SILA SA MGA OFW, BAKIT KUNG PWEDE RIN PALA NILANG BABABAAN ANG BAYAD NG AGENCY SA KANILA AY BAKIT HINDI RIN GANUN ANG PRESYO NG DIRECT HIRING? BAKIT PARANG MAY WHOLESALE PRICE SILA?

  • jane

    gud day gusto ko lang po sana itanong ung regarding sa requirements ng poea s direct hire.nanay ko po kasi ay nasa uae,ung company po nya nangailangan ng staff so nagapply po aq sa tulong ng mother ko,sinend ko po ang copy ng passport ko to process my visa. 1st tym lang daw po ggwin ng employer ng mother ko n kumuha ng staff d2 sa pinas. ttnong ko lng po kung ung employment contract is talagang required kasi po sinabi ko sa nanay ko n un ang nirerequire ng poea,ang problema ko po ngayon e hnd daw po nagrerelease ng contract ang company nya dahil hnd p daw po aq nkkpunta doon,ang irerelease lang daw po ay offer letter. sa palagay nyo po kaya hnd aq magkaron ng problema pag dinala q n sa poea requirements q? thanks po

  • My Working VISA,my CONTRACT na from my employer..ako ang nag ayos lahat ng required documents dahil DIRECT HIRE AKO.kaso pagkuha ko ng OEC sa POEA,sabi nila agency ang magaayos daw nun at may 1 MONTH SALARY pa na hihingin sakin…ano paba ang aayusin ng agency doon eh meron na nga lahat????pagkakaperahan lang nila ako for sure..kaya nga ako umiiwas eh….anong klaseng Palakad ba yan ng Gobyerno naten???hindi ba pwedeng mag issue nlang sila nun,matutuwa pa ang mga Direct hire kagaya ko at Malaking TULONG po sana yun..eh ang Kaso imbis na tulungan ka na makaalis LALO nilang ginigipit…Nakaka asar!POEA hindi NAKAKTULONG SA LAGAY NA ITO!!!!OFW PILIPINO ang ginigipit mo…..

  • evabalajadia

    Mr. Antonio, the main issue of this thread is about the “limit of direct hire workers.” Mr Bien attached the links of the said memorandum and said that there was no mention whatsoever about the limit of direct hire workers to 10 or 5. If, however, the memorandum about the “limit” exist, you also emphasized that it was already suspended in 2008 pa. Therefore, the comments in this thread points to the “main issue”. I guess at this point, naliwanagan na ang lahat na walang dapat “limit”.

    Then again, you mentioned about the Labor Code Book One PD 442. Was there really a mention about “….a ban on direct-hiring”? Tama yung na copy paste mo, pero “a ban on direct hiring…” I haven’t read that in any memo or labor code or PDs.

    Halos lahat naman dito sa loop eh bata pa, ikaw lang ang isip bata, hehehe. “Boplaks” ka diyan. Easy lang kase, ikaw din. Ang puso mo iisa lang yan, pag nalaglag yan…. sige donate namin sa POEA. LOL.

    At this point, maliwanag na sa lahat kung ANO ANG SILBI NG POEA. As Clutch clarified, his article did not insinuate “WALANG SILBI ANG POEA”. Salamat na lamang sa pag-share ng experiences at infos dito. Nakakatulong ang lahat nang ito, lalo na sa mga baguhang OFWs or sa gusto ring maging OFW… kasama na rin yung nagkukunyaring OFW.

    Nasa batas ba talaga or iba lang pagkakaintindi mo.r ako or siya ang nagsabi nito o anuman. So, ano na naman ba yang ka”boplakan” yan? LOL! Easy ka lang. Lahat naman kami dito bata pa, ikaw lang ang batang isip hehehe…

    • eduardo san antonio

      THE LABOR CODE OF THE PHILIPPINES
      PRESIDENTIAL DECREE NO. 442, AS AMENDED.

      ART. 18. Ban on direct-hiring. – No employer may hire a Filipino worker for overseas employment except through the Boards and entities authorized by the Secretary of Labor. Direct-hiring by members of the diplomatic corps, international organizations and such other employers as may be allowed by the Secretary of Labor is exempted from this provision.

      ___
      Copy and paste lang yan ate wala akong idinag dag at wala rin akong binawas. Kung may tanong ka at gustong linawin, andito lang ako. ha ha ha.

      • evabalajadia

        hahaha, thanks antonio. noted. i’ll read the labor code art 18 in my own free time and convenience. i can manage from here, LOL!

    • magkano po ba ang babayaran pag mag didirect hire???>>>>>>……..

    • rowena madduma

      ang poea ay isang ahensiya ng ating pamahalaan na tumutulong sa ating mga kababayan lalo na yung mga nasa malayong silangan na nagkakaroon ng gulo saan ba tayo humihingi ng tulong diba sa gobyerno kaya huwag nating sasabihin na walang kuwenta ang poea lahat ng ahensiya ng ating gobyerno ay nakaktulong sa ating mga pilipino sino ba ang magtutulungan diba tayo ring mga pilipino.

  • fullerton

    Ms evabalajadia, that’s exactly what I did, I experienced direct hire process, and my sister agency naman, so I know the difference between direct hire and employment agency hire, btw, it’s for US. Ung topic po ba dito nasagot na, about the 10 employee limit ng direct hire? Andami n kaseng topic na tackle pero wala ung sagot sa main issue.

    • evabalajadia

      merong nagbigay ng link dito (from sir bien?) ng memorandum in question. pero walang naka indicate doon na may limit to 10. kung meron man, na-suspend na yung memorandum na yun (as per san antonio). sa palagay ko, there should be no limit sa mga direct hire workers kase yung memorandum na yun is considered null and void or suspended until further notice. eh 2008 pa yun, 2011 na ngayon. seguro wala nang silbi ang memorandum limiting direct hire workers. isa pa, unfair naman yun sa mga direct hires.

      • eduardo san antonio

        Ate, ang sabi sa memo number 1 series of 2008, suspended yung memo number 4 series of 2007, then it continued saying recruitment of filipino workers should be as per existing rules prior to memo number 4 2007.

        Wala akong makitang ibang memo, therefore it is safe to say na yung rules ng poea ay as per Labor Code of the Philippines. Although paulit ulit ko nang naipo-post kung ano ang nakalagay sa Labor Code, tila hindi pa rin ninyo maintindihan.

        At uulitin ko na naman, puede mag hire kahit isang baranggay ng ‘name hire’ (or direct hire if you will) ang isang foreign company na puedeng i-accommodate ng POEA, provided this is their first time at wala pa silang local agency, and provided ulit na it is understood na kukuha sila ng private agency next time sila mag recruit.

        So ano ang unfair duon sa mga direct hire? Ang sakit nyo sa bangs.

        • evabalajadia

          sa palagay ko, unfair ang may limit. kase yung first 10 walang agency, tapos yung 11th onwards meron na. so, ikaw na 11th maiiwan or made-delay kase required nang may agency. pag merong agency involved, merong additional fees and charges. pag merong delay, merong additional expenses. hayz, haba ng hair ko sa kilikili. gawin mo kayang bangs? LOL!

          minsan nakakatamad basahin ang labor code kase nakaharang yang bangs mo, LOL!

          • eduardo san antonio

            Ate siguro naman marunong kang pumila ano… Halimbawa, nasa pila ka at pang 11 ka, malapit na ang lunch time, sinabi ni Manong guard 10 na lang ang kayang i-accommodate. Now unfair ba yun? O kaya naman nasa kalsada ang sasakyan nyo at pang 11 ka ulit na nakapila sa red traffic light. Nag green pero hanggang 10 lang ang napatakbo, pang 11 ka at obligadong mag stop, unfair ba iyon? Or kung may scholarship ang gobyerno pero hanggang 10 lang per family ang puede, pero pang 11 ka, kahit ikaw ang pinakamatalino sa buong magkakapatid at 10 lang ang puede eh wala ka talagang magagawa.

            Kahit tumambling ka ng tumambling ganuon talaga kapag may rules.

            Anyhow, mga examples ko lang yan dahil wala akong idea sa sinasabing na may limit ang direct hire (lalong wala akong alam sa sinasabing 10 or 5 lang ang puede), maaaring memo ito from POEA, maaaring na mis understood lang. Pero in any case, may karapatan ang POEA mag impose ng rules kung ano sa tingin nila ang tama.

            Regarding additional expenses kapag dadaan pa ng agency, sabi ko naman sa ibang post ko, merong mga agencies na hindi naniningil ng fees kahit piso sa mga applicants at ipinapasa sa foreign employer… Kung sakali man na merong maningil, hindi dapat magbayad ng placement fee ang mga name hire (/direct hire), pero obligadong magbayad ng processing fee, hindi naman sila charitable institution.

            In any case, nasa batas kasi ng Republika ng Pilipinas na kailangan ng agency. Kahit tumambling ka ng tumambling ganuon talaga dahil nasa batas nga.

            Nakakatawa ka talaga ate. You are so naive.

            • evabalajadia

              o, ano naman kinalaman ng pila sa kalsada? hahaha… oh geeeezzzzz…. can i not say how i feel about the “limit of direct hires”. wala bang freedom of expression rito? can i not oppose the BATAS of PINAS? ang hilig mo talaga sa tambling, eduardo. ikaw na lang kaya tumambling sa pila. kaya nga may opposition eh. di mo gets yun? hahahaha… natatawa lang ako sa haba ng bangs mo! can i not react to whatever rules, policies, decrees, or what have yous. you are one hell of a troll, eduardo. fine, ikaw na! bye! LOL!

              • magkano po ba ang babayaran pag mag didirect hire???>>>.

  • evabalajadia

    I would like to share below the processing procedures and registration of DIRECT HIRES/ NAME HIRES at POEA. (Guidelines given by POEA Info Team)

    Definition of Name Hire:
    Refer to a worker who is able to secure an overseas employment opportunity without the assistance or participation of a recruitment agency.

    Name Hire Processing Procedure:
    Secure number at the security personnel at the Ground Floor (right side while facing the elevator).

    Proceed for Registration at Direct Hire Unit, 2nd Floor (POEA, BFO Building, Ortigas.

    STEP 1 – Register at Window 6 (Skilled/ Professional Workers) or Window 14 (Household Worders).

    TAKE YOUR SEAT AND WAIT TO BE CALLED.

    STEP 2 – When called, proceed to the counter as instructed (either counter 6,7,8
    for skilled/professional workers or counter 13-14 for household workers)

    STEP 3 – Submit your complete sets of documents (Original and Xerox). Refer to
    list of requirements.

    STEP 4 – Your documents will be verified from the computer, evaluated and then returned to you. The evaluator will give you instructions, PDOS and medical referral. Please choose from the list of accredited medical clinics for your medical examinations. Training Certificate from TESDA and OWWA Certificate of Competency are required for household workers.

    STEP 5 – Proceed to OWWA for PDOS schedule and/or proceed to the medical clinic you have chosen for your medical examination.

    STEP 6 – After your PDOS and medical examination, go to window 9- skilled and professional workers and window 12- household workers. Submit the evaluated documents with PDOS certificate and the FIT TO WORK medical certificate, the NC II and the COC (Household workers) for final approval and issuance of the Order of Payment.

    STEP 7 – Go to window 8 releasing area for the release of your original documents with RFP NUMBER.

    STEP 8 – Go to window I, ground floor for assessment of payment then go to window J and pay. An E-Receipt will be issued to you.

    USES OF E-RECEIPT
    1. TRAVEL TAX EXEMPTION
    2. FREE AIRPORT/TERMINAL FEE
    3. REDUCED TRAVEL TAX FOR DEPENDENTS

    DOCUMENTARY REQUIREMENTS FOR NAME-HIRE SKILLED/PROFESSIONAL WORKERS
    PHASE I:
    1. EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT duly signed by the employer and worker
    – For FEMALE low-skilled workers, employment contract duly signed by the employer and worker verified by Philippine Overseas Labor Office

    2. Valid Working Visa/ Work Permit/ No Objection Certificate (NOC)or Visa Assurance from the employer or any equivalent entry document.

    3. VALID PASSPORT

    4. 2X2 PICTURE FOR MEDICAL REFERRAL

    PHASE II:
    1. PRE-DEPARTURE ORIENTATION SEMINAR (PDOS) CERTIFICATE
    2. MEDICAL CERTIFICATE FROM DOH-ACCREDITED OFW MEDICAL CLINICS/HOSPITALS (EXCEPT CANADA, AUSTRALIA AND NEW ZEALAND)
    * pls prepare original and photocopy

    DOCUMENTARY REQUIREMENTS FOR NAME HIRE HOUSEHOLD SERVICE WORKERS (HSW)
    PHASE I:
    1. EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT SIGNED BY THE WORKER AND EMPLOYER, DULY VERIFIED BY THE PHILIPPINE OVERSEAS LABOR OFFICE (POLO)/LABOR ATTACHE OR AUTHENTICATED BY THE PHILIPPINE EMBASSY
    2. WORK PERMIT/VISA/NO OBJECTION CERTIFICATE OR EQUIVALENT DOCUMENT
    3. VALID PASSPORT
    4. 2X2 PICTURE (FOR MEDICAL REFERRAL)
    5. FOR FAMILY DRIVER, PERSONAL ACCIDENT INSURANCE AND MOTOR VEHICLE INSURANCE DULY VERIFIED BY THE POLO/LABOR ATTACHE (MIDDLE EAST BOUND WORKERS ONLY)
    6. REQUEST FOR EXEMPTION FROM THE DIRECT HIRING POLICY ISSUED BY THE POLO/LABOR ATTACHE, AS APPLICABLE
    7. TESDA NC II FOR HSW (EXEMPTIONS: CANADA AND EX-OVERSEAS HSWS)
    8. FOR TAIWAN COC (FROM TESDA)
    9. OWWA CERTIFICATE ON LANGUAGE AND CULTURE ORIENTATION (FOR MIDDLE EAST, HONGKONG, TAIWAN, CHINA AND ISRAEL)

    PHASE II:
    1. PRE-DEPARTURE ORIENTATION SEMINAR (PDOS) CERTIFICATE
    2. MEDICAL CERTIFICATE FROM DOH-ACCREDITED OFW MEDICAL CLINICS/HOSPITALS (EXPECT FOR CANADA, AUSTRALIA AND NEW ZEALAND)
    * pls prepare original and photocopy

    • clutch

      mismo ganyan ginawa ko eh dami kasing alam ni mr antonio eh. lalong ginulo buhay natin. ang tanong ko lang kasi bakit merong limit ang Direct hire. dami na sinabi. LOL

      • eduardo san antonio

        Ang isyu naman kasi eh nagtatanong ka na bakit ‘direct hire’ ka na naiprocess ng POEA nung 2009, pero nung pinsan mo na ang ‘direct hire’ na gusto na ulit kunin ng employer mo, bakit sinabihan ka ng POEA na humanap na ng agency ngayong 2011.

        Sabi mo ang tanong mo lang “bakit merong limit ang Direct hire”, kailangan kong maraming sabihin kasi slow ka. Hindi ka maka intindi.

        Now, uulitin ko for the nth time, kahit dalawang dosena at kalahati ang direct hire ng isang foreign employer, at kung first time nya mag proprocess ng Filipino workers, maaari syang pagbigyan ng POEA, with a condition na kukuna na sila ng agency next time.

        Now after a month at naisipan ulit ng foreign employer na mag hire ng Filipino kahit isa lang ang na direct hire nila, malamang sasabihan na sila ng POEA na humanap na ng agency.

        Naintindihan mo na ba?

        • arnel_egnisaban

          cge na i yield dami mo alam sir. wala kang sing kupas sana lang wag dumating ang panahon na ikaw ung lumagay sa sitwasyon na yan. bottom line madaling mag react madaling mag copy paste nang mga links nang kung ano ano. but let me ask you how many goverment officals ang sumusunod sa batas nang pilipinas? kahit na simpling jaywalking d pa masunod at bobombahin mo ako nang labor code.

  • fullerton

    Bakit lagi sinasabi ni mr antonio na there’s no such thing as direct hire at kelangan ng privare agency? I for one did not do that. Direct hire ako, company abroad nag process in securing my visa, I just went to POEA and bring the documents so they can put my data on their records, attended PDOs and paid whatever fees I have to pay so they can issue me the OEC. Kaya nga direct hire ang tawag, so u don’t need to go to an agency to process your papers. Magkaiba pag process ng direct hire kesa agency hire..case to case basis po.this yung yr lang ako nag process.uulitin ko case to case basis po yan, maybe ung sinasabi ni mr antonio applies to a certain case, hindi po sa lahat.

    • evabalajadia

      I also asked him that, meron na rin siyang palusot na explanation. Anyway, most posts here pertains to DIRECT HIRES. Based on experience nang karamihan dito, I guess their comments helped a lot especially for OFW Direct Hire newbies, like me.

      • clutch

        asan na si mr antonio? dami nya kasing link na nilalagay ni isa wala ata xang naintindihan dun. LOL

      • eduardo san antonio

        Ate, hindi iyon palusot. Reference yun. Hindi yun haka haka tulad ng iba na nagsasabi na “10 or 5 na lang ang puedeng direct hire” without citing any source.

        • evabalajadia

          hehehe, i was referring to your comment and “palusot” on “there is no such thing as direct hire”…

          now, am a bit “clueless” and confused doon sa reference mo (labor code, PD442) on “ban on direct hiring.”

          anyways, sa pagkakaintindi ko wala na dapat issue doon sa “limit”.

          FYI: Eduardo, walang SLOW dito. “akala mo lang meron, pero wala.”

    • eduardo san antonio

      Question: yang bang company mo eh regular na nag rerecruit ng Filipino workers? or ikaw pa lang ang na hire nila?

  • arnel_egnisaban

    first off all thank you sa mga comments and reaction nyo, ginawa ko tong blog na to from my personal experience.
    from my title ano “ang silbi nang POEA” hindi “Walang Silbi ang POEA” mag kaiba un.

    okey ill break down everything steps by steps from my experience

    im a OFW here in Oman since 2009.
    ok may mag cocoment matagal na pala. ok
    nag resign ako sa company then umuwi ako sa pinas 2010 so kababalik ko lang this year last jan to be exact.

    ok ganito ang nangyari.
    pag uwi ko sa pinas i ask my dad to help me to look for a job sa company na pinag tratrabahohan nya.
    may vacant sila so he applied for me.
    the company ask for my CV.
    after nila matangap ang CV ko my dad asko me to process my MEDICAL from the Philippines para mailakad na rin ang application nang visa ko d2 sa oman
    Note: sir Eduardo ung binigay mo sa aking link about application off visa eh d na po trabaho nang POEA un kasi nga po DIRECT HIRE ako. ang gagawa po nun is ung PRO nang company sila ung naglalakad nang mga legal stuff such us visa application labor card and residence card. d na po sakop nang POEA un.

    after ko ma provide ang aking MEDICAL CERTIFICATE na galing sa accredited nang GAMCA nag antay lang ako sa release nang visa from oman.
    after the release they send me my papers contract, employement offer, visa and plane ticket note: “all the docements from visa to plane ticket was under my name and NOT under proffesion” im not an expert pero if you will think kung ang visa mo ay hindi nakapangalan sau at naka pangalan sa proffesion which means eto ay applicable sa Agency kasi ang alam ko eto ay ang work order from certain country w/c means eto ang available job offer sa bansa nila na pinopost nang PEOA at nang mga AGENCY kaya under proffessional ang VISA ang pagkakaalam ko, kasi sabi ni mr eduardo was under professional visa ang nilagaya kaya kailangang dumaan sa agency or poea para eh process at ilipat sa name mo ang visa. w/c is not the case” my ticekt was dated 1 month ahead from my departure day to give me some time to finish all the things needed to be done sa pinas.

    ok so nakuha ko na ang lahat nang papers ko from oman working visa ticket contract and all.
    i walk-in sa POEA to get additional requirements for Direct hire. so they told me they need this. “check for POEA list of requirements for DIRECT HIRE OR NAME HIRE.”
    so after ko nang lahat nun binigyan ako nang form nang POEA to fill it up so nilagay ko lahat nang dapat ilagay nag bayad nang dapat bayadan. after completion they schedule me for PDOS or pre departure orientation and seminar. after nun binigyan na ako nang OEC.
    this was my experience. ang case na ninovoice out ko kas the limit of direct hire. gaya nga nang sabi ko useless ang family mo na nasa ibang bansa kung ganun kasi dadaan parin sila sa agency at d na kukuha nang direct hire if that’s the case.

  • evabalajadia

    hindi naman po ako lumalayo sa issue sir san antonio. am just making a point on the issue of private agencies. sa binigay na guidelines sa akin ng poea, wala pa silang nabanggit o nakasulat man lang na maghanap ako ng licensed employment agency. wala pa ako sa phase 1 ng guidelines nila. may tama ka, clueless ako sa ngayon. as far as am concerned, sumusunod lamang ako sa guidelines ng poea as per instructions. andun pa ako sa phase na NO mention nor referral to oher private agencies. nasa waiting stage pa lang ako. for now, clueless ang mujer. di ba, anak ni teteng? LOL!

  • eduardo san antonio

    Sagot na matino para maliwanagan ang lahat:

    For the purpose of this discussion and specific to the case of Arnel and his cousin, I would like to emphasize two salient provisions under the “Labor Code of the Philippines – Book One [Presidential Decree No. 442, as Amended]”

    1.) An OFW may be hired only through licensed private recruitment agencies and through the government placement facility of the POEA.

    2.) There is a ban on direct-hiring, whereas no employer may hire a Filipino worker for overseas employment except through POEA or through private recruitment agencies.

    However, direct hiring may be allowed as an exemption under the following category:
    a.) diplomatic corps,
    b.) international organizations,
    c.) and such other employers as may be allowed by POEA.

    On item “c”, the following are allowed to be exempted (under POEA memorandum):
    i. Immediate members of the royal family and heads of State or government;
    ii. Ministers, Deputy Ministers and other senior government officials of the host country;
    iii. Employers residing in countries where foreign placement agencies do not operate;
    iv. Filipino expatriates and residents with capacity to hire Filipino workers;
    v. Employers who are hiring on a one-time basis;
    vi. Employers who need workers immediately and have submitted an undertaking to tieup with licensed Philippine agencies for its next recruitment.

    And on the same item “c”, not allowed to undertake direct hiring are:
    i. Foreign employers who are registered / accredited with licensed Philippine recruitment
    agencies;
    ii. Recruitment agencies in the Philippines and foreign placement agencies.

    Going back to the specific case of “Arnel” and his “cousin”…

    POEA accommodated Arnel and his foreign employer (as exemption to the law), under item “c” either on clause “v” or “vi” or both. Meantime, using the same guidelines, the same foreign employer is expected and obliged to secure the services of a private recruitment agency to continue recruiting Filipino workers.

    In fact, Arnel’s cousin being ‘direct hired’ is contrary to the provisions of our law and therefore technically not binding unless verified, validated, and processed by our recruitment agency and POEA.

    • clutch

      first off all thank you sa mga comments and reaction nyo, ginawa ko tong blog na to from my personal experience.
      from my title ano “ang silbi nang POEA” hindi “Walang Silbi ang POEA” mag kaiba un.

      okey ill break down everything steps by steps from my experience

      im a OFW here in Oman since 2009.
      ok may mag cocoment matagal na pala. ok
      nag resign ako sa company then umuwi ako sa pinas 2010 so kababalik ko lang this year last jan to be exact.

      ok ganito ang nangyari.
      pag uwi ko sa pinas i ask my dad to help me to look for a job sa company na pinag tratrabahohan nya.
      may vacant sila so he applied for me.
      the company ask for my CV.
      after nila matangap ang CV ko my dad asko me to process my MEDICAL from the Philippines para mailakad na rin ang application nang visa ko d2 sa oman
      Note: sir Eduardo ung binigay mo sa aking link about application off visa eh d na po trabaho nang POEA un kasi nga po DIRECT HIRE ako. ang gagawa po nun is ung PRO nang company sila ung naglalakad nang mga legal stuff such us visa application labor card and residence card. d na po sakop nang POEA un.

      after ko ma provide ang aking MEDICAL CERTIFICATE na galing sa accredited nang GAMCA nag antay lang ako sa release nang visa from oman.
      after the release they send me my papers contract, employement offer, visa and plane ticket note: “all the docements from visa to plane ticket was under my name and NOT under proffesion” im not an expert pero if you will think kung ang visa mo ay hindi nakapangalan sau at naka pangalan sa proffesion which means eto ay applicable sa Agency kasi ang alam ko eto ay ang work order from certain country w/c means eto ang available job offer sa bansa nila na pinopost nang PEOA at nang mga AGENCY kaya under proffessional ang VISA ang pagkakaalam ko, kasi sabi ni mr eduardo was under professional visa ang nilagaya kaya kailangang dumaan sa agency or poea para eh process at ilipat sa name mo ang visa. w/c is not the case” my ticekt was dated 1 month ahead from my departure day to give me some time to finish all the things needed to be done sa pinas.

      ok so nakuha ko na ang lahat nang papers ko from oman working visa ticket contract and all.
      i walk-in sa POEA to get additional requirements for Direct hire. so they told me they need this. “check for POEA list of requirements for DIRECT HIRE OR NAME HIRE.”
      so after ko nang lahat nun binigyan ako nang form nang POEA to fill it up so nilagay ko lahat nang dapat ilagay nag bayad nang dapat bayadan. after completion they schedule me for PDOS or pre departure orientation and seminar. after nun binigyan na ako nang OEC.
      this was my experience. ang case na ninovoice out ko kas the limit of direct hire. gaya nga nang sabi ko useless ang family mo na nasa ibang bansa kung ganun kasi dadaan parin sila sa agency at d na kukuha nang direct hire if that’s the case

  • evabalajadia

    hi, sir clutch. it seem sa mga links ng poea memorandum, parang wala pa akong nababasa tungkol doon sa direct hire limit of 10 per company. or baka puro 1st page lang ang inilalabas ng link, baka merong disclaimer or 2nd or 3rd page. anyway, i tried to email poea, kaya lang nag bounce back ang emails and it says: “sorry, the user’s mail has overdrawn his diskspace quota”. this happens only to the govt of the philippines.

    as sir san antonio has mentioned, the memorandum in question (memo04s2007: direct hire guidelines) was suspended as per memorandum circular 01 series of 2008. it said that directly hired workers will be processed in accordance with poea rules existing prior to mc#4s2007. therefore, walang limit-limit.

    should you have questions or concerns, you can go directly to poea office. am sure maraming reklamo ang natanggap ng poea, thereby the suspension. kahit anong problema sa anumang ahensiya, meron laging nakikinig sa mga reklamo natin. lahat naman naaayos sa usapan.

    at sa aking palagay, may silbi ang poea. lalo na sa mga ofw’s.

    god bless.

    • Bien

      hehehe.. sige, para matapos na…

      ang required ng POEA, yung “Employer” sa ibang bansa ang dapat may tie up sa isang agency dito sa Pinas (***hindi yung prospective OFW***). If they want to hire Filipino workers, dapat, may representative silang recruitment agency dito na accredited by the POEA. Then your employer will tell what recruitment agency to go to. Dapat, sagot ng employer ang bayad sa recruitment agency, aside from the following:
      POEA processing, PhP200.00
      Worker membership with the Overseas Workers Welfare Administration (OWWA), US$25.00
      Visa Fee

      Since the employer’s chosen recruitment agency’s job is only to comply with Philippine laws, and has nothing to do with getting the OFW hired, no fee shall be asked from the OFW by the agency.

      For OFW’s naman, you can get your official required documents like passports, birth certificates, nbi, etc. yourself. Go to the government agency’s website for more info. no need for so called private agencies to do that for you. if you don’t have the time or the know how, yun, magbayad ka sa kanila kung ayaw mo alamin paano ang tamang proseso.

      Yung sinasabi ni Clutch na 10 people, malamang dumaan din sa agency yun. it’s probably a misunderstanding. otherwise, illegal nga yun as eduardo san antonio said.

      kung saan saan na napunta usapan, yan na yun, in a nut shell. ^_^

      The End…

      • eduardo san antonio

        Kuya, hindi ko maiwasan na hindi kita ulit tamain, baka kasi umasa yung tao na walang babayaran sa agency. Meron pong tinatawag na “processing fee” at ang ay nasa $100 or around P5,000. And warning na rin sa pinsan ni Arnel, merong ibang agency na nangongolekta pa ng mas malaki.

        At dagdag ko na rin… Magkaiba po ang placement fee at processing fee. Ang placement fee ay equivalent sa 1 month salary, pero that is kapag nakakuha ng trabaho ang worker through the agency. Pero sa case naman ng pinsan ni Arnel, hindi sya dapat magbayad nuon kasi nakuha naman nya ang trabaho without the assistance of the agency.

        However, I believe it is settled already that the foreign employer needs to have a private agency here in the Philippines to continue hiring Filipino workers.

        • evabalajadia

          I do expect there will be expenses to be incurred in the process. Given naman talaga yun, kahit saan. So, I had to be ready for whatever fees there are. I heard from a friend, he spent around 5k with the poea processing and the medical/physical exam.

          Again, palaisipan pa rin yung limiting direct hire workers to 10 lang per company. I only feel this is not fair for direct hires.

          Anyway, para sa akin may silbi naman ang POEA. Yung sistema lang seguro nila sa “processing” ang hindi pa organized or convenient para sa lahat. So far, sa experience ko with POEA, ok pa naman. Sanay naman kase ako pumila at maghintay nang matagal.

        • Bien

          I was trying to steer the conversation to this kasi, pero lagi na lang naliligaw. hehehe

          the Processing fee is not for the agency. It’s for the POEA. basta yung gastos ng agency, kasama na yun dapat sa singil nila sa employer, as per POEA directive for direct hired OFWs. “No charging of placement fee from the worker” is the POEA’s exact words. The POEA processing fee is only P200. bakit aabot ng 5k? eh kasama yung pamasahe ng agency sa singil nila sa employer? malinaw yan sa POEA directives.

          pati airport terminal fee, dapat kasama na dun, unless napagkasunduan ng employee at employer na hindi. nevertheless, dapat talaga may dalang pera yung OFW that will cover the terminal fee when he passes through airport immigration.

          kung may extra silang sisingilin, it could be dahil na din sa kakulangan ng applicant at need na yung agency mismo mag facilitate ng pagkuha ng needed documents. This is between the employer, applicant, and agency to sort out (pwedeng ayaw i-carry ng employer buong fee ng agency, but that’s going against the POEA’s directives). To minimize the cost on the side of the OFW applicant, dapat kumpleto ang papeles nya, at wala na masyado aasikasuhin ang agency kungdi i-submit ang papers for processing sa POEA.

          • Bien

            ay, sorry, may $25 nga palang babayaran sa OWWA. hehehe.

          • eduardo san antonio

            Kuya, mali ka na naman ng akala. Magulo kang kausap, ipinaliwanag ko na nga na magkaiba, different, hindi pareho ang “placement fee” at ‘processing fee”.

            Placement fee = equivalent to 1 month salary, kung nakakuha ng trabaho ang worker through the agency. Sa case ng pinsan ni Arnel, hindi ito applicable at yan ang nasa directive ng POEA.

            Processing fee = ito yung dapat ibayad sa agency sa pag aasikaso ng papel. Kahit pa direct hire na yung pinsan ni Arnel or kumpleto na ng papeles, may obligasyon sila na magbayad ng processing fee sa agency. To which I am saying standard na ang $100 or P5,000… (at may iba pang agency na mas malaki ang hinihingi).

            At hindi ko iyan imbento, alam iyan ng POEA.

            Kaya malabo yang iniisip mo na walang ibabayad sa agency na processing fee, kahit pa yung pinsan ni Arnel ang naglakad ng lahat ng documents (na in the first place eh required naman sa kanya) like passport, nbi, birth certificate, trade test, etc.

            May specific na ginagawa ang mga agency at mga procedures na ginagawa bago ideploy ang isang worker kahit recruit sya ng agency or direct hire ng foreign employer.

            • evabalajadia

              lahat naman dito sa thread MALI ANG AKALA…. CLUELESS… mga ANAK NI TETENG!!!! MERON NIYAN, KALA MO LANG WALA, ETC… hayzzz…. do you really have to tell everyone that? you can say na lang “this is what i know is right” or something… eh you said yourself you’re not from poea nor a recruiter, not even an OFW. copy paste ka na nga lang may dagdag pa. sus. we can read, eduardo.

              sir bien, yung friend ko hindi lang P200 ang nabayaran sa processing fee ng poea. will ask again. baka may mga dagdag na fees kase 2011 na ngayon, lahat tumaas na presyo.

              for the meantime, follower muna ako ng poea guidelines. saka na ulit ako aangal pag nasa phase 2 na ako.

              sana merong iba mag comment dito based on their experiences sa poea or with the employment agencies. mas ok if ganon kesa naman yang copy paste sa mga memorandum and guidelines tapos may dinadagdag pa that makes it more confusing. lalong humahaba kase meron pang kanya-kanyang pagkakaintindi ng mga terms, sabay “MALI KA”… o siya… IKAW NA ANG TAMA! LOL! anak ka talaga ni teteng!

              • clutch

                as far as i know hindi 200 pesos lang ang babayaran mo mga 8k ata yun kasi dun will enclude ung pag ibig phil health and owwa payment. im not sure kung mag kano ang exact amount.

            • Bien

              sige, kausapin mo na lang sarili mo. malinaw yung sinabi ko, pinasok mo naman yung 1 month salary… bye….

              • eduardo san antonio

                Kuya, tina tama lang kita, kasi pinag hahalo mo ang placement fee at processing fee. Hindi mo kasi alam na magkaiba iyon.

                Sana ngayon alam mo na ang difference ng ‘placement fee’ at ‘processing fee’. Mag thank you ka sa akin, marami kang natututunan.

                • evabalajadia

                  LOL! sa comment naman niya, wala namang binanggit na magkapareho ang placement at processing fees. kahit nga sa spelling magkaiba sila. na gets ko yung point niya.

                  pointless lang mag point out or mag react sa isang bagay na hindi naman binanggit or nabanggit sa comment niya. tapos, super react ka. pero, na gets ko ang point mo. malayo lang sa pino-point niya. na-gets mo? hahaha… alam kong malabo na mata ko, pero…. labo mo!

                  • eduardo san antonio

                    ha ha ha, ate heto o basahin mo kung paano nya pinag jumble ang processing fee at placement fee. He is talking about processing fee but quoting placement fee.

                    ***BEGIN QUOTE***
                    the Processing fee is not for the agency. It’s for the POEA. basta yung gastos ng agency, kasama na yun dapat sa singil nila sa employer, as per POEA directive for direct hired OFWs. “No charging of placement fee from the worker” is the POEA’s exact words. The POEA processing fee is only P200. bakit aabot ng 5k? eh kasama yung pamasahe ng agency sa singil nila sa employer? malinaw yan sa POEA directives. ***END QUOTE***

                    Kung hindi mo pa iyan ma-gets, hopeless case ka na.

                    Sabagay, wala ka naman lagi nakikita, ha ha ha.

                    Hirap mong kausap ‘teh para kang batang paslit na dapat laging subuan ng information. ha ha ha ulit.

                    • evabalajadia

                      hahaha, am not in the position to explain what he mentioned. in the first place, i was not the one who wrote it. but i understood his point. now, you are just getting pointless. master troll. bow!

  • Bien

    LOL…. sumakit naman tiyan ko sa pilit pag “justify” ng agency. kesyo sobrang dami ba ng OFW?

    Bakit ang NBI clearance, hindi na need ang agency? Ang passport? may ibang “private agency” ba na pagkukunan nyan? Birth certificate? hello?!

    ano ba ang silbi ng isang agency kung kaya mo naman lakarin ang papeles mo ng sarili?

    trying to look for a link on the said memorandum. i don’t even think it’s legal. unless of course, our resourceful law makers already made it legal para hindi na “highway robbery” tawag dyan (obvious namang may “cut” sila sa mga agency). i’ll appreciate an official link to be posted here so i can read it. OFW din ako from 1990-2000. walang ganyan noon sa mga direct hires, and there was no reason to warrant it. to think that with today’s faster computers and better written softwares, processing for OFW’s will be faster and easier. But as with everything else in this country, slow processing means more money for the scalawags. Matuwid at maigsi ang daan pag may pang padulas. Pag wala, baku baku at liko liko. Welcome to the Philippines!

    • Bien

      dagdag ko na din. private agencies are only useful for employers who don’t have the manpower to spare to look for their needed OFWs. some employers prefer using an agency to make sure that the person they are getting is able to do the job, and would benefit from said agency’s already processed labor database, lalo na kung minamadali.

      otherwise, i don’t see the usefulness of said private agencies, and why the POEA would require them for an already approved manpower for a foreign company, just because the company already hired 5, 10, or whatever number limit they have now. It’s too stupid to comprehend the rationale behind it.

    • eduardo san antonio

      Siguro po ay matagal na kayong hindi nagbabasa ng dyaryo or matagal na rin hindi kumukuha ng NBI clearance kaya clueless kayo na pahirapan kumuha ng clearance ngayon. At saka meron na pong agency sa pag kuha ng passport at birth certificate.

      Meantime, magkaiba po ang nature ng trabaho ng NBI at POEA. Di hamak na mas madali ang ginagawa ng NBI bago mag issue ng clearance. Ang POEA/agency po ay mabusisi. Bawat gobyerno merong agreement sa isat isa. At bawat bansa meron silang patakaran sa hiring of foreign workers. Bawat embassy merong procedure ng work visa processing.

      Ang isang aplikante sa NBI clearance, kapag na involve sa kaso, ang gagawin ng NBI lalagyan ng record sa computer. Ang sa POEA/agency po, ang isang applicant na na-involve sa kaso obligadong tulungan ang worker.

      LOL. Ilang taon na po kayo?

      • evabalajadia

        Wala akong alam na agency na puwede mag process ng passport. Baka ibig mong sabihin yung tulad ng NSO helpline na ang ginagawa lang is mag-set ng schedule online (without fees). Soon as you have set an appointment (online), you have to go to DFA Aseana yourself para ma-process or ma-renew passport mo.

        @Clutch: Thank you for this article, kahit paano naging interesado rin ako malaman ang tungkol sa proseso ng poea lalo na sa mga “direct hires”. Sa experience ko, naging polite naman sila sumagot sa hotline nila. They emailed me also the guidelines and procedures on what to do and where to go. Hopefully, maging maayos once na nasa proseso na ako. Lahat naman dadaan sa POEA, para naman sa security nang lahat. If need talaga ang employment agency, I only pray that the expenses will be covered by my employer. If not, then I had to decline the job offer.

        I only hope that this thread will help others. We just had to be polite when replying to comments (good or bad). We don’t have to be mean or tactless. Rather, let us help each other and not confuse one another.

        Should you have other concerns, it is always safe to call POEA directly. They will assist you in any way. Be polite, so they will also be nice to you.

        • eduardo san antonio

          Ate meron, akala mo lang wala, pero meron. Merong agency na nag pro process ng passport. Personal appearance is required talaga as “all applicants are required to appear before the DFA for data capturing of biometrics”.

          Ang isyu naman kasi nung nag sulat ng article eh tinatanong nya kung may silbi ba ang POEA? Sinasagot ko lang naman na meron, akala nya lang wala, pero meron.

          Hindi lang sila ulit napag bigyan iprocess sa POEA eh parang sinisisi na nila ito kung sakali man hindi sila ma kapag abroad or at ayaw lang talagang dumaan sa agency. Siguro naman polite silang sinabihan na dumaan na lang sa agency pero ayaw nga nila.

          • Bien

            walang agency na nagproprocess ng passport iho. DFA lang. kung mag nagsabi sa yo na meron, scammer yun.

            kaya nga hinihingi ko ang link sa memorandun na pinag uusapan ninyo limiting to 10? 5? dami ko nakikita sa google, pero puro forums at blogs gaya nito. wala pa ako makita from POEA. so paki na lang kung alam mo ang URL.

            • eduardo san antonio

              Ate meron, akala mo lang wala, pero meron.

              Normal na sa mga travel agencies ang mag process ng passport. However, kailangan lang talaga ng personal appearance. Kung hindi pa rin po kayo naniniwala… eh di huwag. LOL.

              Baka naman sabhin nyo nanloloko lang ako:
              http://www.authenticationexpress.com/
              http://www.telephonepassportexpress.com/
              http://www.sulit.com.ph/index.php/classifieds+directory/q/travel+agency+processing+a+rush+passport

              ^Hindi po iyan mga scam… totoo po iyan. Pramis.

              • eva b

                Yung sinasabi mo na mga agencies, they only assist in DFA certificates and authentication, and setting an appointment for your passport… hindi passport processing. as you said, “personal appearance” is required. but DFA is the one processing your passport, NOT the agencies. agencies only assist (set appointment and deliver the passport to your doorstep via air 21). hayz… toink!

                I do believe some agencies would even charge P250 pesos just for setting an appointment which you can do yourself online. How do you call that? Service? It’s a scam!

                What I am trying to say here, Sir San Antonio is to tell fellow pinoys that you can apply or renew your passport on your own and not going to any agencies for a fee. It’s the same as choosing NOT to go to a private agency or recruitment agency to work abroad. One only has to register at POEA as “name hire” or “direct hire” and not pay any placement fees at recruitment agencies. If a POEA personnel tells you that you have to go to an agency (just like what happened to Sir Clutch), you had to verify first if it’s legal. Kaya nga hinahanap ko rin yung link ng memorandum na sinasabi niya. Now, if the memmorandum really exists and POEA has every legal reasons to do that (limit direct hire employment), then you have the option to either decline the job offer or look for an employment agency that will help you with the employment process. We only hope that your employer shoulders the expenses (placement fees, plane tickets, etc).

                Why do you always have to say to go to an agency? One is not even obliged to do so? You said yourself YOU are not from POEA, you do not work in an agency, you’re not even an OFW. Kung umasta ka, as if you had this experience? Kung mag comment ka pa, merong pang comments na ANAK NG TETENG. sino ba anak ni teteng, ikaw? naririndi ka pa sa mga tao dito who speaks english ang kung i-correct mo nambabastos ka pa. grow up! wala namang word sa tagalog na “gastasan”. Mag ingles ka na nga lang, wag kang managalog.

                If you are trying to help people here, you can always be polite to them. That is why, Sir Clutch created this article so he could get various reactions and different points of view. Ano nga ba silbi ng POEA. You can either comment in a positive or negative manner, but you cannot attack the character nang kahit sino dito. Instead na marami ang mag comment dito based on experience, nahihiya na lang kase binubutata mo sa pag reply. Eh hindi ka naman official personnel nang kahit anong agencies. Scammer ka ba?

                Umayos ka.

                • eduardo san antonio

                  @ate eva, ha ha ha, nakakatawa ka. Lahat naman talaga ng passport processing agencies ay hindi puedeng mag issue ng passport. Scam yun.

                  Did you even bothered to click the links? Nag susumigaw po doon “passport processing service”.

                  Ganun din ang karamihan ng mga private agencies, hindi puedeng mag issue ng OEC. Oh wait, did I say “karamihan”? Meaning merong ibang recruitment agencies na puedeng mag issue ng OEC?

                  Opo merong mga agencies na nag iisyu rin ng OEC. I bet hindi mo rin iyan alam. ha ha ha.

                  Hindi naman ako scammer, wala naman akong ibinebenta dito, at kadalasan lahat naman ng post ko ay may details at may link. At hindi haka haka lamang.

                  Salamat po ate.

                  • evabalajadia

                    hayz.. toink! again, ang sabi ko you do not need them to process your passport because you can do that yourself without paying fees. it seem you have extra funds to hire agencies to do things for you, so be it. hands off na po ako dun.

                    why would i bother check on these agencies when i prefer to go to dfa myself. don’t you get it? duh!

                    it seem you won’t stop blabbering about people who chose not to use the services of these “processing agencies”. i happen to enjoy long lines, and waiting, and doing things myself without the help of these so-called processing agencies. for example, why do i have to pay 250 pesos to an agency who will only set an appointment for my passport? i can do that online FOR FREE. or why do i have to pay 350 pesos to an agency who will process my birth certificate? i can do that for only 140 pesos and so forth. nakakatawa bang intindihin yun?

                    hayzzz… toink!!!!

                    • eduardo san antonio

                      Ate, lumalayo po tayo sa isyu… sabi ng isang kuya, huwag magpaligoy ligoy.

                      Balik po tayo sa usapin ng direct hiring. Nasa batas po kasi na lahat ng Filipino workers na ihihire para mag work sa labas ng bansa ay kailangan dumaan sa licensed private agencies.

                      Nasa batas po. Ibig sabihin, kahit tumambling tambling ka dyan at mag pagulong gulong, wala kang magagawa kasi nasa batas nga.

                      Therefore, as per the law, theoretically speaking there is no such thing as direct hiring.

                      However, pinapayagan lamang ang direct hiring sa tatlong kategorya which is allowed as exemption.

                      1.) members of diplomatic corps.
                      2.) international organizations.
                      3.) as may be allowed by POEA.

                      Ang POEA po ay implementing agency na sumusunod lang sa batas (at sabihin natin na sumusuway kung pagbibigyan ang mga taong ayaw kumuha ng agency.)

                      Alam ko pong tatanungin ninyo kung anong batas, siempre clueless na naman kayo… Ito po ay nasa “Labor Code of the Philippines” – Book One.

                      Kung napagbigyan po sa umpisa ang isang foreign company na i-process ang direct hire, hindi po nangangahulugan na puede na lagi lagi. Bad po iyon and contrary to our law.

                      PS: Hindi po ako ang gumawa ng batas – at hindi rin ang POEA.

              • Bien

                First, hindi ako “Ate”. Kuya ako.
                Second, it’s obvious na hindi mo alam pinag sasabi mo, at hindi mo nasasagot tanong ko.

                Linawin ko ha?…. There are two kinds of agencies sa usapan dito. Government agency (DFA, NBI, SSS, Pag-Ibig Fund, GSIS, etc), and Private agency (XXX Manpower Inc, XXX Recruitment agency Inc, XXX Man-pooling Inc, etc) gaya ng mga na post mong links. Sinagot ko na trabaho ng mga yan, at hindi kasama ang processing na ginagawa ng POEA. Even those agencies have to go to POEA for the processing, na pwede mong gawin mag-isa.

                Government agencies do not pass the processing to any private agency! They could put up their own branches, but the people doing the processing are their own employees. The only private agency inside DFA are their contracted couriers like Air21 or DHL.

                Kaya madaming nalolokong mga kababayan natin, dahil sa mga tulad mong puro “maling akala” na nagbibigay ng advice na puro mali.

                Asan ba yang memorandum na yan? If it’s real, then it should be in the POEA website. Yung mababasa ko, at pwede kong i-question sa POEA. Any POEA personel can type up a memorandum to show applicants (secretly) and say it’s official. I’m beginning to think yan ang nangyari kay Clutch. That’s why I’m asking for the memorandum link sa POEA website, hindi ko kasi makita.

                Again, Kuya ako, hindi Ate. linawin ko lang…

                • eduardo san antonio

                  Kuya, bawasan nyo na muna ang kapapanood ng mga telenovela, puro conspiracy theory ang nasa isip mo. At saka paano ka ba mag search ng document? Merong link mismo sa POEA website yung circular (hindi ko na lang sasabihin kung saan eksakto dahil ayaw mo naman paniwalaan ang link ko).

                  Now, gaya ng isang nag post dito, POEA is the mother of all recruitment agencies. However please note that the term “recruitment” is very generic, because the role of these agencies are not limited to recruitment, they do also represent the country promoting Filipino workers.

                  POEA was created in 1982 specifically for that purpose:
                  _________
                  · promote and develop the overseas employment program.

                  · protect the rights of migrant workers.
                  _________

                  As mentioned to ate eva, usually POEA ang nag iisyu ng OEC, pero meron ding mga private agencies na nag iisyu ng OEC, at natural mente kailangan nilang makipag ugnayan sa POEA (as the mother organization) as to the other processing requirements.

                  After all, monitoring these private agencies and administering deployment of Filipino workers is a government function.

                  Ahm, kuya ano nga ulit ang tanong mo?

                  • Bien

                    hehehe, hindi ko tinatanong kung ano purpose ng pag create ng POEA. ang tanong ko, saang POEA circular nakalagay yung limit na 10 employees lang per employer, and the rest have to go to a recruitment agency to get processed. yun naman ang paksa ng nag create nitong blog na to, di ba? i already posted the links na tinutukoy mo, but it’s still under moderation. mukhang hindi pa nababalikan ng may-ari ng blog kasi nakabinbin pa. pero wala akong makita dun tungkol sa pinag uusapang “limitation”.

                    pa ligoy ligoy ka na naman eh. i checked the said circulars, ala dun nakalagay. gusto mo english? mukhang hirap ka umintindi ng tagalog eh. conspiracy theory… LOL.

      • Bien

        Ano naman kinalaman ng edad ko sa usapan? Ano naman kinalaman ng hirap kumuha ng NBI ngayon (dahil sa bago na naman ang contractor na kinuha, at ang lumang database ay hindi pala pag aari ng gobyerno. galing ano?).

        ang usapan, bakit need pa dumaan sa isang private agency ang isang gustong magtrabaho sa abroad (OFW) kung naasikaso na ng employer lahat ng kailangan nya para sa bansang pupuntahan nya. all that’s needed is for the POEA to put on record the files for their database, and verify with that country’s embassy kung genuine ba papeles. yun lang yun! that’s their job. no more, no less.

        can you justify the rationale behind the limit? wag mo sabihing sobrang daming OFW. i don’t buy that. OFW’s are not paying the POEA to make their life more expensive and harder to work abroad. POEA is supposed to assist… teka, capital letters ko ha?…. ASSIST the OFW. bakit nila ipapasa ang trabaho sa isang private agency kung di naman kailangan?

        stay on this topic please. wag paligoy ligoy.

        • eduardo san antonio

          Ate ikaw ang unang nag banggit ng NBI at passport at birth certificate. Sinagot ko lang ang tanong mo. Ilan taon na po kayo at nalimutan yata agad ninyo iyon.

          On topic.

          *** all that’s needed is for the POEA to put on record the files for their database, and verify with that country’s embassy kung genuine ba papeles. yun lang yun! that’s their job. no more, no less.***

          Una po munang iveverify with the country’s embassy kung genuine ang papeles bago i-put on record sa file nila for their database.

          Anyhow, hindi po ganuon kadali iyon at wala pong time ang resources ang POEA para gawin para sa lahat iyon, kaya kailangan ng agency. Iba iba po ang proseso ng bawat embahada at iba iba ang policy ng bawat bansa. Regarding the limit, nasagot ko na po iyan sa iba kong post.

          Kung hindi po kayo nararamihan sa mga OFWs eh hindi ko na alam kung ano ang measurement nyo ng marami at konti.

          Pero tama po kayo na part of the mandate of POEA is to ASSIST. Pero hindi lang po iyon ang function ng POEA. And to answer your question “bakit kailangan ipasa sa private agency ang trabaho nila”, ibalik ko na rin po ang tanong, bakit sa ibang bansa, bakit ipinapasa rin ng gobyerno nila sa private agency ang pag process ng visa?

          ___
          Pahabol: Yun nga palang sinasabi nilang Memorandum No. 4 (series of 2007) na nai isyu nung December 2007, ay nai-suspend na rin nung February 2008 by virtue of Memorandum No. 1 (series of 2008), until further notice daw, the previous procedure should prevail. Wala pa akong nakikitang bagong memo regarding processing of “direct hire”.

          • Bien

            eto sinasabi mo: http://www.poea.gov.ph/MCs/MC%202008/MC-01-2008.pdf

            eto naman sinasabi nyan: http://www.poea.gov.ph/MCs/mc2007/mc4.tif

            ngayon, asan sa mga yan ang pinag uusapang limit dito sa direct hiring?

            • evabalajadia

              oo nga noh.. walang ganon…

            • eduardo san antonio

              ha ha ha, mga boplaks talaga. Kahit halungkatin ninyo ang buong thread at mga mga posts dito, wala akong sinasabing merong limit na 10 or 5 na puedeng i-direct hire. And in the first place ako pa nga ang nag highlight na suspended yung memo number 4 series of 2007.

              Ang sinasabi ko, lahat ng Filipino workers ay kailangang dumaan sa agency and POEA. Ang sinasabi ko, merong mga cases na pinapayagan ng POEA ang direct hire, but this is exemption to the rule.

              However, this exemption has corresponding conditions. That is, in order for the foreign worker to continue hiring Filipino workers kailangan na nila kumuha ng private agency.

              Kung meron man sila gustong i-hire, kahit name hired pa yan or recruited through locally, kailangang dumaan sa private agency.

              Therefore, kahit buong barranggay ang i-hire ng foreign company as name hired, puedeng puede basta kailangan dumaan sa agency.

              Pero kahit isang tao lang yan na name hired puedeng tumanggi ang POEA na iprocess yan lalo na at napag bigyan na ang foreign company befor, dahil kailangan nang dumaan sa agency — dahil iyon ang nasa batas.

              Hirap magpaliwanag sa mga bata.

              Repeat, hindi ako ang nagsabi na may limit ang direct hire, in the first place malinaw naman na nasa batas na meron ban on direct hire. Yan yung tila napag bigyan na sa umpisa, gusto pang umabuso.

              Hirap talaga magpaliwanag sa mga bata.

  • ravio

    If you are planning to work in UAE, then it will be more hard time for someone to seek an employment visa to UAE as compared before. Currently, filipinos go to UAE as visit visa and later on hired directly by the company. In order for the person to be recognized and be legalized, he/she needs to exit from UAE (frequently to neighboring country Iran or Oman) in order for the employment visa will be processed. Then when he/she is back to UAe then the medical examination will take place which is prerequisite to process the residence visa. Due to the recent immigration requirement of UAE, medical examination should be done prior to entering to UAE and securing the employment visa. For this, someone who is in UAE as visit visa needs to exit to the Philippines and do the medical examination before the issuance of the employment visa. This will be an additional burden for the Filipinos and also for the employers as they need to spend more and wait more to hire Filipinos. Although this will safeguard our OFWs, still this is a tedious task and expensive procedure to go back to UAE under employment visa knowing the cost of plane ticket back to Philippines.

  • fullerton

    I am a direct hire ofw. My employer applied for my working visa, tinatak visa s passport ko and the visa is specifically for me, nakalagay po ang name ko, kelangan kase yun to get my OEC from POEA. Ang point ko dito is depende s country na pupuntahan mo and case to case basis ung requirement ng poea. Sabi kase ni mr antonio di nilalagay ang name sa visa, that is not true.. Anyway,.hindi un ang isyu na pinag uusapan dito. this is just to inform others. Nagwo work ba si mr antonio sa poea? Para kaseng andami nyang alam but in my experience, hindi sya totoo.

    • arnel_egnisaban

      @fullerton tama kasi ako direct hire din ako ang ginawa ko lang was medical and payment sa POEA and that’s it kasi andito din daddy ko so company nila nag lakad nang application nang visa ko d2 sa middle east . binigyan na ako nang OEC after mapakita ko document galing d2 sa middle east working visa and plane ticket contracts and all. kasi ang issue was bakit d sila maging maluwag sa mga case’s na ganun na direct hire na nga completo na sa papers ay ayaw pang i process nang POEA at gusto pa idaan sa agency? @mr antonio naiintindihan ko mga sinabi mo ang akin lang bakit kailangan nga ganun?

    • evabalajadia

      ako naman, papadalhan pa lang ng working visa ng employer (from brunei). hindi ko pa alam ang gagawin hangga’t nasa akin na lahat ng papers. pero nag email na sa akin yung poea at nakasulat doon yung step by step procedures ng mga gagawin ko once nakuha ko na ang working visa at contract. ang mangyayari, direct hire ofw ako at hindi na dadaan sa agency except of course, sa POEA lang.

      • clutch

        ma’am same with me kasi nung sa akin din noon was nilakad nang company and visa at ticket ko papunta d2 sa oman. ang tinanong kulang sa POEA was ano nag req para sa direct hire and they give me list to present to them sympre kasama na ang processing fee.

      • eduardo san antonio

        Ate, clarify ko lang po. POEA po ang tumatayong agency ninyo, so in a sense dumaan pa rin kayo sa agency. Kumbaga, pag bibigyan pa kayo ngayon ng POEA kung first time (or nasa limit) pa rin ang number of employees na puedeng i accommodate ng POEA para employer ninyo.

        Pero ang isyu po, kung marami na ang gustong i direct hire ng employer mo…. Duon na kayo sasabihan na humanap na kayo ng agency, which is the subject of this article.

        Gusto ko lang pong i-clear.

        • evabalajadia

          thank you, sir. ako lang po ang nag-iisang applicant na gustong i-direct hire ng employer. nag-email na rin sa akin ang poea kung ano ang gagawin. naghihintay na lang ako ng papers from my employer.

          sa issue naman ng limit of employees per employer, ngayon ko lang nalaman din yun. kung i-refer nga nila sa agency, seguro dahil yun ang tingin nila na tama. para naman sa proteksyon ng ofw. am sure i-shoulder naman ng employer kung anumang expenses ang involved.

        • ravio

          Eduardo, i just want to know who sets the limit for the employers to hire their employees directly? I am just curious because I am currently working in UAE and the company I am working for provides Employment and residence visas to all the multinational oil and gas companies in our facility which is roughly 70 companies. Our company being a government owned company is leasing the space for these 70 companies and also providing services which includes sponsorship of visa (visit, employment and residence visa) to all the employees of those companies residing inside our company. This is the reason why eventhough one employee is working in one of the companies like Shell, his emplyment visa and residence visa are under our company. Knowing the vast amount of visas being sponsored by our company, I wanted to know if they are covered in that limit?

          • evabalajadia

            @ravio: in this case, they are referring to workers na “direct hire” or “name hire” … may limit na 10 employees (per employer) lang daw ang puwedeng i-accommodate ng poea.

            “Name hire” (as defined by POEA): refer to a worker who is able to secure an overseas employment opportunity without the assistance or participation of a recruitment agency.

          • eduardo san antonio

            First and foremost I am not from POEA, I just feel unfair to insinuate that POEA is useless (as the article suggest ‘Ano ang silbi ng POEA’). As a matter of fact, burdensome it may sound, I believe with the procedures, policies, and requirements set by POEA are indeed placed to serve its purpose. That is — to protect Filipino Workers.

            Let us all be clear though, the practice of POEA processing the deployment of Filipino Workers, whether these workers are name hired or *not (*yes, POEA also does recruitment on behalf of the foreign employer), is a value added service of POEA.

            Imagine there is a foreign company who wish to hire Filipino workers (for the first time) and they still do not have accredited local manpower agency in the Philippines. POEA can facilitate the recruitment on behalf of the foreign company, ideally until such a time that this foreign company can find suitable local agency.

            This is particularly true if the requirement is one time and the foreign company has no plans to recruit in the future, thus I do not think they would need to look for a local agency, especially if POEA can accommodate their recruitment requirement.

            Now let us say after this supposed one time recruitment, the foreign company decided to hire more Filipino workers, this is the time that POEA would advise them to look for a local agency for this purpose, whether they have name hired workers or still needs to source locally.

            POEA does not limit the hiring Filipino workers, what they limit is how much they can accommodate, as it is practically impossible for POEA to attend to all the hundreds of thousands work orders placed by foreign employers.

            And this is why we have our local private agencies, and of course with their own table of service fees.

    • eduardo san antonio

      Ate, hindi po ako taga POEA. Hindi lang maganda yung nag bibigay tayo ng maling information sa publiko. Para lang po sa dagdag kaalaman, at para ma-educate ang iba pang mambabasa may tanong po ako:
      1.) Anong bansa po iyang sinasabi ninyo na direct hire kayo.
      2.) Anong sangay po ng gobyerno ang nagtatak ng work visa ninyo.
      3.) Ano po ang mga requirement sa inyo bago natatak ang work visa ninyo.

      Hindi naman po siguro mae-expose ang personal nyong buhay kung sasagutin ninyo itong tatlong taon. Pero makakatulong maliwanagan ang isyu.

      @arnel, curios lang din ako malaman kung saang middle east ang destination. Lalo na kung Saudi or UAE iyan, 100% sure ako hindi sa pangalan mo ang visa mo at hindi ka makakaalis ng Pinas kung hindi ipro process ang passport mo na matatakan ng work visa. After ma process pa lang saka mapupunta sa pangalan mo ang work visa. I repeat, AFTER ma process.

      • clutch

        @ mr antonio hindi po ako nag bibigay nang maling info mawalang galang na din po d ko po kau inaatake nang personal naging OFW na rin po ba kau? kung ganun alam nyo po ang process
        sa oman ako nag tratrabaho. ok sa case na sinasabi ko is nakapangalan sa kanya ang working visa nya. so wala nang kailangan i process dun d po ba? lahat nang documents ay nakapangalan sa tao. in the first place d mo xa mass hiring. pero kahit na ganun paman pag direct hire mostly isang tao lang ang nilalakad nang company for visa at a time d tulad nang mass hiring cguro na d nakapangalan sa kanila visa nila. pero pag icipin mo pano lalakarin nang country ang visa na walang info nung tao?
        nag tatanong lang poh?

        • eduardo san antonio

          Asus, Middle East pala iyang sinasabi mo.

          Sagutin ko po ang tanong ninyo na “pano lalakarin nang country ang visa na walang info nung tao?
          nag tatanong lang poh?”

          Sagot: Iyan po ang trabaho ng Embahada ng Oman sa Pilipinas. Ito po ang tinatawag na “visa matching” — kasama sa requirement ang work contract. Dito sa work contract nagsusumigaw ang pangalan nung worker na ima-match at ipro process ang work visa.

          Puede kayong magtanong: Bakit hindi sa tao nakapangalan ang work visa?
          Sagot: Eh paano kung mag back out ang aplikante? or may sakit pala? or after 3 months hindi pala qualified sa trabaho? Sayang ang visa dahil hindi na magagamit ng employer.

          Pero kung sa propesyon nakapangalan, madaling humanap ng kapalit.

          Kahit isa o isang daan po ang ihihire pareho lang po ng proseso. Huwag naman po tayong mag bigay ng maling information, dahil lang sa mali ang akala ninyo.

          Salamat po.

          • clutch

            oman ako sir ganun nga sinasabi ko sir OEC lang ang kailangan ko sa POEA kasi complerto na ako sa documents original visa hawak ko na naka pangalan sa akin plane ticket ko naka pangalan sa akin contrata naka pangalan sa akin ang sinasabi mo is for agency na may work order sir.
            ang sinasabi mo is biding kung baga para d masayang ang slot eh profession ang nilalagay. sir mag kaiba po ung sinasabi ko at sa ipinapaliwanag mo. kung nakapag abroad ka at dumaan ka nang agency malamang ganyan nang yari sa process mo iba naman sa akin kasi direct hire ako. may kamag anak ako sa na nagtratrabaho sa companya kaya sila lakad nang Documents nakapangalan sa akin.
            isa pa hindi ako nag bibigay nang maling information dahil ganun nang naging processo ko base on my experience kanina ko pa po pinapaliwanag ang case ko. isa pa sir bago ka makauha nang visa ok d2 sa oman kailangan nila nang medical exam mo na fit to work na galing sa gamca after nilang makuha medical mo iproprocess na nang company ang visa mo at plane ticket mo. pag dating mo sa POEA ang hahanapin sau ay visa ticket contract at bibigyan ka nang OEC that’s my experience kasi ganyan ginawa ko.

            • eduardo san antonio

              May isa pa akong important na tanong:

              May STAMP na ba ang PASSPORT niya ng work visa?

              Salamat.

              • clutch

                gaya nga nang sabi ko upon entry sa immigration nang oman ang stamp nang visa as long as dala nya original copy nang visa nya or copy dipende kung diniposite sa immigration ang visa nya. meaning iniwan sa immigration ang original visa nya at kahit na copy lang ang dala nya ay kukunin mo sa immigration ang original visa mo. saka palang tatatakan passport mo. clear na poh ba?

                • eduardo san antonio

                  Mukhang mas pinalabo mo ba ang sitwasyon… Hindi po ganyan kasimple ang proseso lalo na sa Pinoy workers na gustong magtrabaho sa Oman:

                  Ito po, basa:

                  “3. Certain nationalities, such as Sudanese and Filipino, need special employment permits. Their working contracts must be authorized by their respective governments represented by the specific embassies in the Sultanate and by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

                  The competent authority has the right to request any other documentation it deems necessary and has the right to refuse any visa application without giving any reason.”

                  This is the link: http://www.omanet.om/english/useful/faq.asp

                  Kaya magandang malaman ang ibang detalye para hindi tayo nagbibigay ng maling information.

                  Salamat.

                  • clutch

                    ok cge sir sabi mo eh. pero ung sa akin kasi is ganun lang po ang aking ginawa. ung sa link na binigay mo trabaho na po un sir nang PRO nang company na nag lalakad nang visa. un ay application.

                  • clutch

                    sir tanong lang po nakapag trabaho na po ba kau d2 kasi dami nyo pong alam 2ngkol sa mga process eh. salamat

    • eduardo san antonio

      Ate, mawalang galang na po. Anong bansa ba yang ginagamit mong example para mas maliwanagan ako kung ano ang tamang proses dapat. Hindi yung puro tayo haka haka.

      Salamat.